Also, Dragon Ball GT does not have the criteria for lack of validity that Dragon Ball AF has http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonball_af. You can't just take a character, change everything that defined them and made them who they were, call them Vegeta or Trunks, and just expect me to say, oh, okay, that's Vegeta and Trunks, just because you say so. GT is the present DB(Z) world/timeline/dimension[/the Seventh Universe].. all 'side-stories' are apart of the Seventh known Dragon Ball (Z/GT) Universe - but one must comprehend that DB(Z/GT) is multi-dimensional[/MultiUniversal], with various sub-alternate timelines/dimensions within the same Universe. GT is just as canon as the movies. They both feature a Saiyan form called Super Saiyan God which GT does not mention or seen. GT either needs to occupy a seperate canon from the main continuity, or it has to be considered non-canon. That said, GT is unique in the fact that it has probably the least number of inconsistencies of anything not directly based on the manga. Let's say DBO exists years after GT. Thanks to Kazenshuu, a previous interview that Kozo Morishita did with Dragonbook has been translated into English. GT isn't canon, it's long been confirmed and accepted as such. Since he appears in GT, that puts GT in the same fictional universe as the movies, or at least Cooler's movies. 'Just a minor correction, 'Raditz would not have been defeated if it wasn't for Gohan's attack that weakened Raditz. >> Anonymous 12/20/20(Sun)10:35:48 No. Also super saiyan god is any level of super saiyan transformation above super saiyan 3 and super saiyan 4 is obviously above super saiyan 3. Tarble is canon too, according to Toriyama. His heart just wasn't in it anymore, that's really what it came down to IMO. I'm a DBZ fan, and to me the creators of GT weren't DBZ fans, or else they were only Goku fans, because they give all the attention to Goku, they never give a single other character a meaningful fight. How do I know? By definition, it is not canon to the manga. He just didn't head off the story. In fact, I actually liked GT a lot better than the last Saga of DBZ but I'm sorry, it is not cannon. Anime and Manga canon for this series is a bit different. It was there Morishita was asked about how involved Toriyama was with the anime, and Morishita said the artist gave simple outlines to the show’s team. Why not? Meshack (talk) 23:02, May 10, 2015 (UTC). Non-Goku Gokus I didn't know Black could sideswitch like this. All of the serious threat fights should be taking place in space, yet characters like Cell, the Buu's, Baby, Super 17, Omega Shenron, each one ridiculously stronger than the last, are all planet busters of whom were killed while on a planet, with the planet remaining relatively intact. That's because Dragon Ball GT isn't official canon in the overarching Dragon Ball world or story. Since the latter information came from a video game released this year, it isn't clear whether this information is considered canon or not. Because Toriyama orversaw and DESIGNED GT, it is completely canon. GT isn't considered canon because it's impossible for it to happen and has a wide range of plot holes (I think you forgot that alot of character designs for GT came from Toriyama). Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! If his involvement in a project makes it part of the main canon, this creates problems as Online and GT contain/lack things that make the other impossible, the most glaring problems almost all include Majin Buu (the year Buu creates Mrs. Buu in DBO after the 30th World Martial Arts Tournament is also the same year Majuub throws a match against Mr. Satan at the 31st World Martial Arts Tournament (figure that out!!)). Obviously Dragon Ball Doesn't really have an actual definition of canon, which is true aswell. According to the dictionarry, Canon is "the conceptual material accepted as "official" ". Anonymous 12/20/20(Sun)10:35:11 No. Ya think? Yes Akira Toriyama did do some editing of it, but he did not write the series. As for the show itself, Morishita said it was Toriyama who came up with its title. The problem is that events mentioned to have happened in the history of DBO contridict events from DBGT. The events that happened leading to DBO give no heed to the events of GT, and since the manga also gives no heed to the story of GT (since there was no Manga for it), there are two sources saying GT plainly doesn't exist. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! What if Akira Toriyama thought of DBS during GT? Let's Give This Video OVER 500 Likes! Pan is strong, it seems she's even stronger than Trunks, Goten and Gohan which is ridiculous as well as being braver. I didn't like GT BUT I always DID like these character designs so it's kinda cool we get non-canon (GT) and canon mixed here. Super happens during the ten year time skip between the end of Majin Buu and the last episode of DBZ. But keeping perspective, it's not as bad as Goku being a whiny emo kid that goes to highschool, it's not the worst thing ever. GT is on the same level of canon as filler. GT would have the least inconsistencies because there was no manga for it, thus, no filler. Now, just to argue against what some other people have said, GT cannot be considered canon by virtue of Akira Toriyama having some influence over it. That's why they're peddling these out before GT Goku, plus they want to capitalize on the movie just being released and doing very well in Japan. GT has one major problem at the begginning of the series; how did Pilaf survive after the Buu Saga? It's more of an alternate "what if?" It is up to the fans to decide. Shakuran13 21:44, August 20, 2011 (UTC), Of course GT has the least amount of inconsistencies. Therefore it isn't canon. Still, that hasn’t stopped fans from guessing about Toriyama’s work on Dragon Ball GT. With Super taking place within the ten-year time jump after the end of Dragon Ball Z, the possibility remains that GT could still be considered canon so here's an overview of the divisive series as we figure out if the events of Super contradict GT and seal … But timeline-wise they don't clash at all. In the new movie, it is revealed that there are 12 universes. (with Baby as the exception, even though most of the battle was on a planet and still unbelievable). 15 Is It Canon? Canon has to do with the story-line of DBZ. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Inconsistencies, http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonball_af, http://25.media.tumblr.com/2667b695503fe38595077dd7c090a2ad/tumblr_ml9r6na6Vt1qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg, http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48103659668/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-my-father-gohan-trained, http://osupaxkamehamehax808o.tumblr.com/post/48104101347/or3pt1l14nxk1ll4o-goku-jr-transforms-into-a, https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Is_Dragonball_GT_canon_or_not%3F?oldid=1369524. I watched GT in the english dub, but also with english subtitles from the japanese version and I couldn't believe how different the dub was from the subs. If a movie fits into the timeline, it can be placed in this universe. Giru was a nice touch, but they could have made Pan stronger. Battle of the Gods made this argument a little problematic, as the Pilaf gand used the dragon balls to make themselves kid again by accident, which technically makes it impossible for them to be old people in GT. Putting Super in the non-canon section is not an option, because that goes against what Toriyama says. Using that logic, all of Z is non-canon due to Garlic Jr. appearing. During the History of Dragon Ball exhibit at the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour, official names were given for each of the canon story arcs in both the Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Supermanga. When Movie 6 came along, both Goku and Gohan should've been in their Full Power Super Saiyan transformations during their 10-day wait for the Cell Games. Why don't we? And although it could be canon to the anime, it has some stuff that contradicts dragon ball Z, and that's why some people don't consider canon at all.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 18:46, January 5, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96. GT was never really canon, but the Cooler argument has always seemed weak to me. Not true. The creator is credited as the author in the anime’s credits, and Toriyama even drew sketches for the show to promote its biggest moments. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! ]], Yes it is if you go by the Anime but if you go by the manga then no it's not.Supremegogeta 19:43, August 20, 2011 (UTC), |Non-canon all the way! Isn't it possible that DBGT is in an alternate universe or if the movie setting IS in an alternate universe. But actually it is non canon. Since a lot a DBZ has non-manga based footage, that would mean a good chunk of it is non-canon, by your standards? The different anime adaptions all introduce non-canon elements or create plot holes not present in the original. Surely we'll get more Super and Z characters later. And so DBO is canonical with the manga. No matter how much haters moan and whine about it, it is set about 7 years after the final episode of Z, when Pan debuts. Goten, Trunks and Gohan should have played more of a role. The artist hasn’t ever come out to say what is and isn’t canon for Dragon Ball, but Toriyama did lend his voice to Dragon Ball GT during its formation. And neither of them can fit into the timeline of the DBZ manga or the series. But then again, if he could use his SSJG powers in SSJ, why did he go SSJ3? So, … Or who the hell Jaco is. It would be like saying that all Star Trek after Gene Roddenberry died isn't canon, which ... and therefore part of that story. It's nowhere close to DBZ, though. Because Toriyama orversaw and DESIGNED GT, it is completely canon. Vegeta seemed to be weaker and never even went SS2 that I can remember. In Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F', they are just children instead of old hags in the GT series. Add to Favourites. Sign Up for free (or Log In if you already have an account) to be able to post messages, change how messages are displayed, and view media in posts. However, Akira Toriyama approved of the series and even provided some designs for it. Toriyama worked on Dragonball Online, which, applying your logic, means it is canon. May 1, 2019 | 6 min read. Technically they could make GT be canon. By Megan Peters >> Anonymous 12/20/20(Sun)10:35:11 No. Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. SSJ God is just as canon as SSJ4 which really boils down to whether or not if you want it to be in your own little world. Was Cooler in the manga or even the anime series? What was put out there was whatever they perceived the fans wanted. As everyone knows, something that is not in the Manga is usually marked as filler, or what if. Battle of Gods doesn't make GT noncanon because Battle of Gods can be seen as noncanon. ..saying GT is ‘canon’ is basically saying that the anime fillers, along with the specials + movies, are also ‘canon’.. [ http://25.media.tumblr.com/2667b695503fe38595077dd7c090a2ad/tumblr_ml9r6na6Vt1qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg ], http://25.media.tumblr.com/9fe8e074feea2eb146a69aa23a9bab7f/tumblr_mkt498YZp81qfp0n5o1_1280.jpg. The creator is viewed by many to be the canon gatekeeper of Dragon Ball, but Toriyama has been mostly mum about its so-called official lineup. And I have heard there are some fans making canon manga sequels to Dragon Ball GT. It is a minor series, which was created by Toei Animation. Therefore, it would have literally millions of protagonists solving the same story, making every single one of those a what-if. It's even less canon than that as actual canon contradicts it so its minus canon. So yes, you can say it isn't canon, that doesn't necessarily mean it is completely ruled out, though most likely it is. Until Akira Toriyama and/or Toei actually state GT not being "official" with the anime, this is what I'm sticking to. He didn't fire the blast that killed Raditz, that was more Piccolo's victory with an assist from Goku. I personally think of BOG as canon, but GT as non-Canon. I think the remaining 11 universes are entirely different. this game is honestly fanservice. I assume that it is a part of the universe, just not THAT universe. The subs made GT much better for me, almost none of the original content from the J version of GT was kept in the english dub and some of it was quite funny. Dragon ball GT wasn't based off the manga. The other universes are like none of these things happen and we might be in one of those universes. Nothing anyone can say is going to change my mind. That would give DBGT problems storywise because if Goku could transform into a SSJG, why didn't he? GT is worth watching, but I would use english dub and english subtitles. The funimation episode is not in my mind, they twisted it to their own creation, leaving the whole plot in a mess. Bardock obtains a tremendous amount of energy, formed into waves flowing through his body, and with his might, he turns into the almighty Super Saiyan. Doesn't explain why we still don't have dates for either Buu figures though. DGT is canon in the ANIME timeline. :+), [サイヤ人(Saiya-jin)s RagingSouls are typically fueled by their natural barbaric サイヤ人 ruthless self-ambitions, a clear example being Vegeta, before successfully transforming into a 超サイヤ人 - the young サイヤ人 Prince hated Frieza & the entire Planet Trade Organization, & thought of himself as 'the strongest warrior in the universe', being the 'super-elite' he was/that he came from a Royal サイヤ人* bloodline. So they're still entirely separate stories. 537073746. Yes, you can also call it a "spinoff" of the official Dragon Ball Series. Copyright 2020 ComicBook.com. He may be seen as the Author in credits, that is because he created the Dragon Ball manga. GT is,canon to the anime even I personally think it is a continuation to dbz anime and manga no matter what others say. of course it's canon,it's not in the manga because when dbz anime finished they just started do the gt. Overall, he beats Nappa, Vegeta, Recoome, Burter, Frieza, Yakon and Buu. They did not happen. The 80's manga was canon because it was drawn by him. Technically, Dragon Ball Super sits between the Z and GT series, but has been sure to include several pieces of continuity from … No room for interpretation. (insert source here). He only supervised it and drew the characters. In GT he does everything. “That’s right. If you are an anime enthusiast, then it IS canon. Your canon tier states that GT with less involvement of Torimaya falls under C-canon. The inconsistencies usually come from filler vs story, for example Master Roshi's young appearance is contradicted between story and filler, or in DBZ when Tien, Yamucha, Kuririn, and Chaozu were sent back in time to fight Saiyans from a 100 years ago, that directly contradicts the story of the Saiyan war (as shown on the list you posted). We interpreted it as “Grand Touring”, to convey the concept of a road movie type of plot.”. The main problem I have with the series in general is the fact that they didn't have a story to tell, not really at least. 4 According to the dictionarry, Canon is "the conceptual material accepted as "official" ". The most I can concede to is the idea of an alternate timeline. The show was created by Toei with the influence of Toriyama here and there. Unlike super he's writing super so that makes it canon. 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