Out of 5 SPRINGFIELD’s with thousands of rounds never had a single failure. And, once you reach a certain (financial) point in life, money becomes far less of a concern. Awesome carrying capacity for a CCW micro pistol. The nice version would be electoral colleges per each state. Extremely good. It’s always interesting to read the responses of people concerning firearms. P365 left, Hellcat right (Jeremy S. for TTAG). by Ryan Cleckner Feb 17, 2020 3 comments 4.6 (11). I shot a magazine through the Springfield. First, the wrap around slide serrations. Springfield Hellcat vs P365 Fortunately for us, recent introductions to the market have set new benchmarks in the capacity-versus-size game. The 365 feels better in my hand and feels more refined. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-cz-p-10-s. Posted on the wrong part of this thread; apologies. And there are aftermarket upgrade options (night sights, springs). I took to range 3 times and had same issue even after cleaning it. Why? Though the published stats are typically for maximum width, on average, and including through the entire grip frame, the SIG P365 is just slightly slimmer than the Springfield Hellcat. From that standpoint they were fair with me. They are almost identical in size and weight and the capacity is similar: But which one should you buy? Pistol lights can help you see in the dark, however, they will also add some weight and will require you to use a special holster. What We Like About the Springfield Hellcat: Right out the box, we noticed two things in particular. I love my P365 and the hellcat is To me, trigger is the single-most important factor in a firearm, and IMHO, Sig produces the BEST factory trigger out of the box. If you would rather trust your life to a Taurus versus a Sig over 2-300 bucks be my guest. The two pistols weigh within like half an ounce of each other. Has a slim fit design that will secure your gun and trigger while minimizing its visibility. Overall Length: 6″ It was pretty easy to attach to your p365 and the lighting and laser were clearly seen. The Hellcat is slimmer by a mere .06 inches, but it bears mentioning. That being said, I won’t ever bash Taurus people, or even Hi-Point people, because I used to be poor, so I know what it’s like. ©COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. We have that law because the gun owners in Illinois did not strongly support Gov. I actually prefer holding a good tactical flashlight but considering how small this is, I could get used to it. With the optic mounted I tend to just karate chop the darn thing, so no concerns there. Seen above is the P365 in front of the Hellcat. NEVER I TELL YA!!! Capacity: 11+1 (flush magazine), 13+1 (extended magazine) This laser can also be seen for a full mile in darkness and is perfectly visible at 25 yards in bright daylight. Barrel Length: 3.1″ I have a Taurus G2 that I’ve put probably 2000 rounds through. Colt after they decided that the public can’t be trusted with ARs? Seen several utube vids preferring the Hellcat trigger. Picked mine up recently, and am very impressed. I do not own either and I am in the market for a new ECC or perhaps 2 if my wife likes it. It’s a clean and nice trigger with a pronounced, fairly short reset, but weighs in at a heavier ~5.5 pounds. The guns display many other comparisons and contrasts as well. The u-notch sights and other changes are suposed to prevnets snags, what snags? Roastinhell. I bought a P11 back around 2000 and the thing malfunctioned constantly. Compare the dimensions and specs of Springfield Hellcat Micro Compact and Sig Sauer P365 SAS Felt great in my hand. Conceals just as easily and tends to shoot holes a little closer together. Well it’s all subjective but…. But, I already have them, and the Meprolight just isn't for me. I haven’t seen one reviewer mention the magazine cut out on the Sig P365 compared to the Springfield Hellcat. Has anyone done a real life comparison of the P365 versus the Springfield Armory Hellcat OPS? So you talk about reliability and the conveniently ignore problems with reliability by calling them “growing pains” when it’s a brand you like? For all the people that want to go ahead and criticize the lower cost weapon go ahead. SA changed their ways, but it still belongs to the same people. So, this was honestly one of the best comparisons we’ve had the chance to do at Gun University. Building junk. Either firearm will do the business. Hellcat issue. Technically the company is claiming that the Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm is the result of years of development and parts of that are probably true. Cannot stress this enough. I preferred the all-black rear sight and eye-grabbing front sight setup of the P365 to the Hellcat’s white U-notch rear and eye-grabbing front. In a higher priced firearm we expect the fit etc. Good work SIG, as I would probably buy the P365 package today. I have fired a P365 with Flush Fitting Mag and I like it. Check Amazon Price, The Sig Sauer FOXTROT365 Weapon Light was made by Sig and is ONLY a light. Width: 1″ Hellcat doesn't allow hand to get quite as high up on the pistol, so it has slightly more snap- this is an observation by a large majority of reviewers and commenters With no mag, and with flush fit mag, the p365 offers a bit more.. I shot a magazine through my SIG. I carry one daily and shoot it weekly with no malfunctions to date after a couple of years. If traveling in the socialist state of California, I hope you never get found with an 11 round magazine in your car (even in the trunk — separated from the ammo, locked up, etc, according to California law). Springfield Hellcat vs P365 The Sig Sauer P365 made headlines for many reasons, one which was being able to handle 10 rounds in a flush magazine. This is really awesome because it allows you to use universally sized attachments on a smaller size handgun. Seems like a good deal to me. I rented both a P365 and a Springfield hellcat and shot them side by side today at my local indoor gun range. A company screwing it up for the little guy need to be ignored. “The number of fractured striker tip returns account for 0.08% of the P365s shipped” (which is well below industry average), “It was found that an extremely small percentage of strikers were out of spec due to start-up issues. These provided a great grip option without a red dot optics system. Just wish I had the facts on what happened with their 2A issues since the net is full of such bullshit and haters and not to mention know it all’s. Price is secondary, but in my case low price (my Taurus was $239) was attractive, and if the pistol hadn’t been reliable, I wouldn’t have been out much money. No step on snek. Once Ryan got his hands on the Hellcat, his eyes lit up like a Christmas tree. Sig Sauer P365 vs Springfield Hellcat. I typically go through 500-1000 rounds each outing. But that’s my thing and I’m not here to tell you what to think, just what I think about these two firearms with all emotion and external factors disregarded entirely. Somehow the backstrap on the Springfield ends up longer than on the SIG but the frontstrap ends up shorter. The simple fact is, though, that not everybody loves the Sig. When comparing the them, two major points stood out against the Hellcat that influenced our decision. I’d rather give it to St. Jude’s or the Salvation Army. Length, width, and height are all so-freakin’-close to each other. – [Gun Control 2020]. Anyone looking to see that can check it out here in our full Sig Sauer P365 gun review. This gun feels like a great value gun. Even though SIG wasn’t the first to shoehorn double-digit rounds of 9×19 into a “mouse gun” — heck, the Kel-Tec P-11 came out in 1995, has always held 10+1, and is the same or smaller than the P365 in length, width, and height — they sure enjoy the credit for it. Springfield Hellcat vs P365. No surprise there. We also feel that the trigger could have been much better. This isn’t a negative, though, as it fills up a dude-sized hand better and is perfectly comfortable. While it’s a bit impossible to verify the validity or severity of posts on social media, Phil Stader, the Product Manager, responded on both Sig Forum and Sig Talk to address the so called social media postings. So, with that, anything you see about the Sig Sauer P365 having a firing pin problem or issues is either false or has been resolved. We all know red dot is the way of the future on pistols. Choose the best weapons, improve their shooting and increase their knowledge on their rights. It has a pressure switch which makes it easy to use and Sig did great with the design, however, I have big hands and with the normal P365 grip, the pressure switch pushes my middle knuckle down just enough to make me wish I had more grip. While I haven’t quite experienced it myself, there are reports that the magazines are susceptible to rust. I can shoot this little gun MORE accurately than my full-size guns. Shoots really well. Which one is better? I personally rely on gross motor skills, but dont have snag issues. I see the sig for 450 at the gun shows around Houston. So I have no problems with gun snobs criticizing my Taurus – I know what I’ve got. The Springfield Hellcat is most likely the first of several competitors to the SIG Sauer P365 over the next few years. Perhaps, after all, that optics mount is the single largest difference between the two. However, it seems so much lighter than that. I just emailed two videos to them showing it failing to feed and they tested it with Federal HST JHP and it does feed that flawless as I tested myself. pull. It comes pre-arranged so all you have to do is connect your optics of choice. A solid choice if you desire a laser. Height: 4″ (flush magazine), 4.5″ (extended magazine) Not a fan of Springfield anyway, so the newest offering from them isn’t likely to change my opinion in general. Springfield Hellcat vs P365 Fortunately for us, recent introductions to the market have set new benchmarks in the capacity-versus-size game. When using the flush magazine, you will get 10+1 rounds. aesthetically the 365 is more pleasing. It’s another zero-failures-of-any-sort-whatsoever success case since leaving the box. I’m sick of hearing from people who maybe at best put a few rounds through their pistol every few months or so lecture about which are reliable and which are not. I've thought about getting another R5 and spending some time with my Dremel tool to get it to fit the contours of the Hellcat trigger guard. I really gotta figure out a way to relax sometimes. And just like at home panties aren’t exactly flying off in excitement over 1/10th of an inch either. Of all firearms I have ever owned, the most consistent was the Glock 19 because it consistently malfunctions, about every 300-500 rounds of consecutive fire. Sticking with my G43…. Seriously, the P365 is one of our absolute favorites. But, that being said, I won’t be buying a Taurus any time soon. The Baldr laser is near-invisible in daylight compared to my Viridian R5. The Springfield Hellcat comes with one 11 round magazine and one 13 round magazine. The fact is, they feel in the hand and shoot on the range like fraternal twin brothers. Went bang every time. I got rid of it pretty quick. However, he managed to hold back his emotions. Compare the dimensions and specs of Springfield Hellcat Micro Compact and FN 503 We'll send you an email when new handguns are added. Also you need to educated yourself why they are cheaper. I have three Springfields and have never had any problems whatsoever. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000056704&cycle=2014. Well, we put it to the test and determined… it’s a great gun. Same with the BMW and Ferrari drivers – what “handling” are they talking about? I've thought about getting another R5 and spending some time with my Dremel tool to get it to fit the contours of the Hellcat trigger guard. Clearly I should have done a before-and-after photo, but I wasn’t planning on including this in the review — I just thought it was funny and interesting that I couldn’t tell which rounds came from which gun and they seemed to just put ’em in the same place with the same overall spread. I have been carrying the 365 since almost 18 months too, and I love it. Showdown: Springfield Armory Hellcat vs. SIG Sauer P365 Both the Springfield Armory Hellcat and SIG Sauer P365 hit the concealed-carry market by storm, but which is the better micro-compact pistol? Stop whining. So pretty much the first thing a lot of people did was drop and mallet the hell out of it haha, I keep asking for a T&E sample for that and they appear to be ignoring me ‍♂️. can anyone tell me if there is a difference in recoil? just can’t stop some folks from being stupid once in a while and drinking the koool aid. Overall the SIG’s trigger is a better trigger when taken on its own (it even feels better on the finger), but paired with the intended use of these little guns it’s my opinion that the pull weight of the Springfield is more appropriate. Their past political machinations make that even more of a checkmark in the “Con” column. The Glock 43X is a hybrid (so they say)! Grow a pair and enter the world as it is today. I own both, the Sig P365 since April, 2018 and the Hellcat since this Oct. Keith. We really like this gun. To update Springfield sent me a replacement handgun and let me pick a different Model as I did not want another Hellcat. That said, I got an XL grip module for my P365 and carry it that way. Speaking of… The gun comes pre-drilled for red dot optics. It holds your weapon in tight and has just enough room to breathe. We found this video to give you a step by step approach to clean your P365 and it does a good job explaining…. So if you’ve been up-to-date on Springfield Armory, you probably well aware of the teasers they were sent out prior to the release of the new Hellcat. ... Springfield Armory Hellcat OSP Review Handguns Springfield Armory Hellcat OSP Review Patrick Sweeney - August 12, 2020. We cut them all up after the court cases were adjudicated. The return rate for even the initial batch were well within industry standards it was not like most of the first gen pistols had problems. Oh… …and I’ve seen Glocks fail. We are going to send it back. My local gun store has finally acquired a Hellcat to rent after weeks on backorder. Had to return mine for failure to feed Sig HP and also Black Hills HP. (Jeremy S. for TTAG). As far as Micro Compacts go, I only ever carry them in summer otherwise I’m carrying the XDM Compact .40 with the 16 round extended mag. Your email address will not be published. The responsibility is ours. But if it’s your carry gun, you’re not going to throw on optics. Your life depends on it. Very reliable (except for the slide lock back if you hold the pistol like me). Namely, the Hellcat has a marginally wider magazine well with a more pronounced taper/funnel around the perimeter. Extremely small percentage of potential Striker Drag issues with first and second generation releases. The P365XL seems like a better package than the Glock offerings according to the reviews I’ve read. One tough gun! As for the other two, I love my P365 and the Hellcat looks like a neat pistol. You are aware that even the G2c comes with 12 round mags from factory. This being a primer drag issue that can cause the firing pin to break. However, between the P365 and the Hellcat, for me, the P365 wins on all counts. This is our choice for a minimalist holster and is very cost effective. The CCW pistol market continues to grow and the P365, after some initial reported QC issues, has proven to be a fantastic gun. Yelp .. right there with you on this one .. probably hit the range that’s my therapy!. Great sights and trigger. Don’t forget Sig Sauer LYING on “end user” certs too, got a few higher ups ARRESTED in NH. Which one do you think I carry. Wow not much love for SA any more. If you are going to use cost of a gun == how much your life is worth argument, why are you trusting your life in a $500 SIG when you could be trusting your life in a $10000 super custom 1911? I myself have many of the high end guns as well as the lower end priced guns. The less nice version is stop sending food in. In hundreds of reviews there is always a Springfield Gun in the top 10 as well as a Glock so to me it’s just the ole Chevy v Ford argument. Not as many rounds for the 38 but still a great little revolver. What they did do was strongly oppose the 2nd, 3d, and 4th version of the Dealer Licensing Bill. Both of these guns are ultra-compact doublestacks – truly the only guns of their type on the market. Read our post comparing the Hellcat and the P365 here. I loaded them put and compared them side by side from every angle and although the hellcat seems marginally thicker After shooting both the 365 and the 365XL, I bought the XL. 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